It was late, I was very tired and just couldn't sleep while this was in my system. You ever start to go to sleep, only to look at something you planned on doing tomorrow, only to have it not want to wait? That's like this.
Sweet Evil Jesus was this message a hoot to reformat. Sent down the tubes of the internet and nearly choking my browser and my optical nerves with its Baskerville Old Face, 18pt, Bolded, Italicized and bright blue font. If you are wondering what that looks like, it LOOKED SOMETHING LIKE THIS! AMEN!
Ah! That burned… so yeah. I hate to admit it but I do find myself in agreement with a part of this message. It is about a little thing called religious tolerance. This is where, no matter what your religion tells you, you put up with the existence of others not of your faith. This implies politeness. You do not even have to try to understand what they believe, just don’t be a jackass to them about your beliefs or theirs and expect the same in return. It is a two way street. This however is a story that assumes that to one group of believers, it is a one-way street, and ends up proving that to their own group, it is a dead-end drive, no exit. Begin email deconstruction (reformatted for readability, typos, and grammar… I know, I’m too nice)
Living in the Detroit area I can concur with this, we have more Muslims moving into our neighborhood monthly and they are very active in the schools, preaching all the time about their "rights" and how tolerant we should be of their faith.
>Good for them: Activity in the community shows concern for one’s surroundings, community, country, and fellow humans. Also given the state of the world right now it is no wonder that they would be calling out for tolerance. Most people see beards and burkas and immediately assume bombs.
However, toleration is a one-way street with them. We are to learn about Ramadan, etc. but they are not to learn about Easter or Christmas.
>This I will agree with as a very bad thing. I would not think to ask someone to understand Humanlight and Festivus without trying to understand their customs and beliefs. We get nowhere and shoving our own customs onto others, they must be exchanged. So you hear that Muslims, I’m keeping a score here, and you’ve just lost a point, Christ 0 Mohammed -1
What is below is very true.
>The careful reader always discounts a “This is totally True!” especially if this statement was in an email. The last time I saw that tag, it was followed by requests for money from Nigerian Royalty.
"In God We Trust"
>Do you mind if I just change this real quick? “E Pluribus Unum.” I prefer that one.
The Basics of Islam...
>Whoa now, be careful. A title like that, and I might expect some history or foundational tenants. You’ve got something to live up to Christians.
This is a must-read -- it's short but Very informative!
>More with the build-up. Must-read! All True!
Bull Shit, I'm willing to wager.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!
>Oh dear me, statistical statement and no sources to back it up? I’m sorry but that’s going to cost you a point right or wrong (Christ-1 Mohammed-1). And I am also afraid to say that you are DEAD WRONG. Allow me to state a source and then elaborate.
Of the larges religions in the US, the top 5 per percentage growths were Deism (+717% Go fighting deists! Keep those numbers rising!), Sikhism (+338%), New Age (+240%), Hinduism (+238%), and Baha’i (+200%).
But the figure was per capita, or per person. So by that, the number of people that joined Islam could be higher than these right? Well, surprisingly, none of these religions made it into the per capita top five, the ones that did rank thusly
#1 Nonreligious/Secular +14,423,000
#2 Christianity +7,805,000
#3 Atheism +902,000
#4 Buddhism +681,000
#5 Islam +577,000
Wow! That poor Islamic religion just cannot win. It is just barely in the top five. It looks like you have got more to worry about from the Christians and Buddhist than from them. Therefore, this was not just a lie, but also a flat out, bold-faced lie… I am feeling generous, so no more point deductions about this, but you had better watch yourself from now on.
Allah or Jesus?
>God or Son-of-god… Coke or Pepsi… None of the above. The High Fructose Corn Syrup makes my pancreas scream for mercy, and the god-heads make other people scream for mercy.
By Rick Mathes
>A name to check up on… Will do…
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session, there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
>Really no problem with this selection, two polar opposite Christian sects and another Abrahamic Religion, since the monotheisms tend to have the more stringent guidelines and the highest chance of stepping on another’s toes. Don’t really need an Atheist up there.
“We believe in nothing. I’m done, you can go now.”
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam (interruption for a definition, Imam is an honorific title given in Islamic societies, they could be a leader of a country, a cleric, or just the local Muslim that leads others in prayers. Depending on this man’s level of Imam, he could either be an authority, or just a local voice) had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
>Q&A is my favorite time of anything.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked, "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. In addition, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in Heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
>Techincally correct… However, once again this is a statement sans sources. Therefore, that is another point off. Secondly many Muslim Imams and Clerics have issued Fatwas ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8740980/ ) against such radical statements commanding that the true message of Allah and Mohammed is to love and teach the infidel so that in his own time, he shall come to see the righteous way. Obviously, this particular Imam did not get that memo or did not care about it.
Either way, it is safe to say that if this man did not disagree with the kill the non-believer = get into heaven free card, it is a safe assumption that even by his own religion he is considered an extremist, ESPECIALY as he is a US Imam and the aforementioned fatwa was from US Clerics.
At the end of this round its Mohammed -2 Christianity -2
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes".
>Hooray! What a way to show that Christianity is religiously tolerant; by making a fool of this man in public. Yes, I will concede that this man is an extremist and a fool, but the words I am reading now are of a man so puffed up by his own smiting of the wicked that this Imam is now being addressed as a child. Practically, however, these questions do not really help anyone out with work place sensitivity training, as secular law forbids killing and since it would not really come into play in the office.
I then stated, "Well, Sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul II commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"
>The problem here is that historically I do not have a problem imagining this occurring. The pope ordered extermination if Muslim peoples for the “liberation” of Jerusalem during the crusades and Protestant leaders now feature war propaganda and messages of getting ready to fight and die for Jesus in their services ( http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ ).
The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me.”
>Which they are not actually.
“Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
>Or maybe we could look at it with the other view of the Koran (5:8) that tells us to not hate any man and treat others fairly and Jesus who tells us that he is here to make it so that the father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father, etc. (Luke 12:53). Both books and religions love to forget that they both contain some messages of good when they need to look nice, but once you’re in there, they have all the hate propaganda you’ll need.
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
>You could have heard it if not for the fanfare of pride in Rick’s head. Isn’t pride a sin?
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the "Diversification" training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim beliefs.
>I wouldn’t be either. He didn’t expose the truth about anything but the motivations of Islamic extremists by acting like a good Christian extremist and having nothing but contempt for the beliefs of others.
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.
>I think everyone should be required to read a lot of things, but it doesn’t happen for one reason or another, but… sob… this won’t be read because the liberals are mean to you. Oh, you want to bet? I’ll help you. The problem is, you have to deal with my additions being along for the ride (I hate leaving unchecked facts). I’ll have all of my friends send this around. Hell, I’ll put it on fliers (to those reading this on the fliers, what’s up in the world of paper media?) Nevertheless, here again, as in the last email, we have something against the ACLU. What do they get to say about you emailing this to everyone? Get over your fear of non-believers and grow a belief-spine.
Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.
>Rick Mathes and his wife, Trish, are the founders of Mission Gate Prison Ministries, an outreach to those who are incarcerated and their families. This is true and will not be argued, but I found something interesting in my digging around and now the people demanding that this be passed around are going to be sorry they did!
From http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/rickmathes.html (a website dedicated to debunking chain mail myths)
The veracity of the claims made in it, however, is the author's to prove. Unfortunately, Rick Mathes told BreakTheChain.org that he will not provide further details because, in his words, "I fear retribution - I have a 20 year prison ministry to protect."
Apparently, two interesting points have come up in the third party accounts. One is that the speaker was simply an inmate chosen to speak after no Imam could be arranged. The other is that though he was asked some question he could not answer, none on the vein of the question within this message were asked.
Then in Mathes’ own words
"We all agree that there is a "simmering volcano" in the Muslim community. Give me an Imam that will sing "God Bless America" or will say the "Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag" and I will listen to them discredit the fears we have about the Muslim community and all that we see and hear in the media. Until the American Muslim community speaks up, I have my doubts about those who join them."
Well, Mr. Mathes, they have. I guess you were not listening when they declared that terrorism was not part of their religion or when they renounced those that include it in their beliefs. “We” do not all agree that every Muslim is just looking for the chance to topple the western world.
I ask that anyone who has received this email send this version back up the tubes! The people that sent it have a right to know that they were duped and the world has a right to have some light shone into the dark places where lies and fear fester to burn them out and clear out the cobwebs.
Peace and Humanism to all! Humanistic Jones
p.s. Don’t think I forgot that I was keeping a score. In the end neither side gained any points and both ended up dead equal in the negative. Short summary, you both came out looking like jerks.